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Trey Gowdy Kicks Off the Benghazi Hearings With a BANG

Trey Gowdy Kicks Off the Benghazi Hearings With a BANG


Trey Gowdy, R-SC Representative
Trey Gowdy, R-SC Representative

The House committee set up to conduct a thorough investigation of the terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya started its proceedings today, and committee head Trey Gowdy delivered a fantastic opening monologue.

The committee has no limits on what it’s allowed to investigate and no time limits on how long it should take. With Congressman Trey Gowdy leading the way, it could likely spell trouble for Hillary Clinton and President Obama as Gowdy does whatever it takes to get to the bottom of what happened.

Gowdy’s opening statements were quite different from what we’re used to, with him generally being fired up and making a fool out of whoever he’s speaking with. However, the points he made should resonate with almost every American who wants to find out the truth about the deadly attacks and see justice for the four men whose deaths seem to have been due to negligence from the Obama administration.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out, especially considering the recent bombshell allegations that then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered officials within the State Department to destroy any information that could paint her in a negative light.

Check out Gowdy’s powerful monologue below, then let us know what you think:

Benghazi Terrorist Attack: Security Team Reveals Secret

Benghazi Terrorist Attack: Security Team Reveals Secret

Top CIA officer in Benghazi delayed response to terrorist attack, US security team members claim


A U.S. security team in Benghazi was held back from immediately responding to the attack on the American diplomatic mission on orders of the top CIA officer there, three of those involved told Fox News’ Bret Baier.

Their account gives a dramatic new turn to what the Obama administration and its allies would like to dismiss as an “old story” – the September 11, 2012 Benghazi attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

Speaking out publicly for the first time, the three were security operators at the secret CIA annex in Benghazi – in effect, the first-responders to any attack on the diplomatic compound. Their first-hand account will be told in a Fox News special, airing Friday night at 10 p.m. (EDT).

See Recap on Benghazi Embassy Terrorist Attack That Killed 4 Americans

Based on the new book “13 Hours: The Inside Account of What Really Happened in Benghazi” by Mitchell Zuckoff with the Annex Security Team, the special sets aside the political spin that has freighted the Benghazi issue for the last two years, presenting a vivid, compelling narrative of events from the perspective of the men who wore the “boots on the ground.”

The security contractors — Kris (“Tanto”) Paronto,  Mark (“Oz”) Geist, and John (“Tig”) Tiegen — spoke exclusively, and at length, to Fox News about what they saw and did that night. Baier, Fox News’ Chief Political Anchor, asked them about one of the most controversial questions arising from the events in Benghazi: Was help delayed?

Word of the attack on the diplomatic compound reached the CIA annex just after 9:30 p.m. Within five minutes, the security team at the annex was geared up for battle, and ready to move to the compound, a mile away.

“Five minutes, we’re ready,” said Paronto, a former Army Ranger. “It was thumbs up, thumbs up, we’re ready to go.”

But the team was held back. According to the security operators, they were delayed from responding to the attack by the top CIA officer in Benghazi, whom they refer to only as “Bob.”

“It had probably been 15 minutes I think, and … I just said, ‘Hey, you know, we gotta– we need to get over there, we’re losing the initiative,’” said Tiegen. “And Bob just looks straight at me and said, ‘Stand down, you need to wait.’”

“We’re starting to get calls from the State Department guys saying, ‘Hey, we’re taking fire, we need you guys here, we need help,’” said Paronto.

After a delay of nearly 30 minutes, the security team headed to the besieged consulate without orders. They asked their CIA superiors to call for armed air support, which never came.

Now, looking back, the security team said they believed that if they had not been delayed for nearly half an hour, or if the air support had come, things might have turned out differently.

Christopher Stevens carried by Libyians Benghazi
Libyians carry Stevens

“Ambassador Stevens and Sean [Smith], yeah, they would still be alive, my gut is yes,” Paronto said. Tiegen concurred.

“I strongly believe if we’d left immediately, they’d still be alive today,” he added.

In a statement to Fox News, a senior intelligence official insisted that,  “There were no orders to anybody to stand down in providing support.”

Baier put that assertion directly to the operators.

“You use the words ‘stand down,’” Baier noted. “A number of people now, including the House Intelligence Committee  insist no one was hindered from responding to the situation at the compound…so what do you say to that?”

“No, it happened,” said Tiegen.

“It happened on the ground– all I can talk about is what happened on that ground that night,” added Paronto. “To us. To myself, twice, and to– to Tig, once. It happened that night. We were told to wait, stand– and stand down.  We were delayed three times.”

In a statement to Fox News, a senior intelligence official did allow that the security team was delayed from responding while the CIA’s top officer in Benghazi tried to rally local support.

In the special, Baier also asks about the infamous YouTube video that was blamed for the violence in Benghazi.

Paronto laughed at the suggestion that the video played any role in the events of that night, saying he did not even know of the video until he was out of Libya and on his way home. “I didn’t know about the video ‘till I got to Germany,” he said. “(I had) no idea about any video, no. No, sir.”

The full, first-hand account of what really happened in Benghazi can be seen when Fox News airs 13 hours at Benghazi: The Inside Story Friday night 10 p.m. (EDT), Saturday at 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. (EDT), and Sunday at 9 p.m. (EDT)

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Islamic militia group says it has ‘secured’ US compound in Libya

Islamic militia group says it has ‘secured’ US compound in Libya


An Islamic militant group said Sunday it has “secured” a U.S. Embassy compound in Libya’s capital city of Tripoli.

American personnel evacuated the area roughly a month ago amid ongoing fighting in the country.

An Associated Press journalist walked through the compound Sunday after the Dawn of Libya, an umbrella group for Islamist militias, invited onlookers inside.

Benghazi Libya

Windows at the compound had been broken, but it appeared most of the equipment there remained untouched.

A commander for the Dawn of Libya group said his forces had entered and been in control of the compound since last week.

Fox News as of late Sunday morning has not been able to independently confirm the group’s claim.

No U.S. military or assets were guarding the property after the State Department pulled out.

On Sept. 11, 2012, U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens, former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, and State Department information management officer Sean Smith were killed in a terror attack on a U.S. outpost in Benghazi, Libya.

A video posted online showed men playing in a pool at the compound. In a message on Twitter, U.S. Ambassador to Libya Deborah Jones said the video appeared to have been shot in at the embassy’s residential annex.

However, two sources with first-hand knowledge of the embassy and other U.S. facilities in Libya say the YouTube video in which the militia members are diving from a roof into pool was taken at the CIA annex in Tripoli that was abandoned when U.S. Embassy personnel and the ambassador pulled out July 26. It is about a mile away from the U.S. Embassy in Libya.

When CIA abandoned the annex in July, it would no longer be considered sovereign US territory.

Jones also said the compound appears to be “safeguarded,” not “ransacked.”

The fighting prompted diplomats and thousands of Tripoli residents to flee. Dozens were killed in the fighting.

On July 26, U.S. diplomats evacuated to neighboring Tunisia under a U.S. military escort. The State Department said embassy operations would be suspended until the security situation improved.

The Dawn of Libya militia is deployed around the capital and has called on foreign diplomats to return now that the fighting has subsided.

US Evacuates Embassy in Libya with F-16 Support

US Evacuates Embassy in Libya with F-16 Support

by Richard Sisk. military.com

US and Libyan flags

WASHINGTON — More than 100 U.S. State Department staff members including the Marine guards were evacuated safely Saturday from the U.S. Embassy in Libya by convoy to Tunisia as Air Force F-16 fighters flew cover overhead.

Israeli F-15 plane
Israeli fighter plane

Embassy personnel reportedly destroyed classified documents or carried them away before joining the column of vehicles on the five-hour run to Tunisia that passed “without incident,” according to Rear Adm. John Kirby, the Pentagon press secretary.

Related: Benghazi Embassy Terrorist Attack Recap, 4 Americans Killed

The evacuation was ordered as fighting among rival militias in the Libyan capital of Tripoli came near the embassy grounds. Fighting at the airport had ruled out an air evacuation.

Benghazi Libya

As the convoy proceeded, F-16s and reconnaissance drones flew over the route. Marine MV-22 Ospreys with Marine Air-Ground Task Force troops aboard also followed the route as a precaution.

At the State Department, spokeswoman Marie Harf said in a statement that “Due to the ongoing violence resulting from clashes between Libyan militias in the immediate vicinity of the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, we have temporarily relocated all of our personnel out of Libya.”

Harf also called on all U.S. citizens remaining in Libya to “depart immediately.” She said that the Embassy technically would remain open, but it was not immediately clear who might be present.

“We did not make this decision lightly,” Harf said, but “security has to come first. Regrettably, we had to take this step because the location of our embassy is in very close proximity to intense fighting and ongoing violence between armed Libyan factions,” Harf said.

In Paris Saturday, Secretary of State John Kerry told reporters that the evacuation was temporary and the staff would return as soon as the security situation would allow.

In his statement, Kirby said that “all embassy personnel were relocated, including the Marine security guards who were providing security at the embassy and during the movement.”

“The embassy staff was driven in vehicles to Tunisia,” Kirby said. “During movement, F-16’s, ISR (Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance) assets and an Airborne Response Force with MV-22 Ospreys provided security.” Kirby said.

The evacuation came nearly three years after the downfall of Moammar Khadafy, which was brought about with U.S. and NATO military assistance, in what then appeared to be a major achievement for the “Arab Spring” democracy movement.

A year after Khadafy’s ouster, militants attacked the U.S. Consulate and an annex in Benghazi, killing Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans. A special committee of the House currently is preparing for another round of hearings on the Benghazi attacks.

The evacuation marked another setback for U.S. policy in a region beset by Islamic militants in Iraq, a civil war in Syria and stalled negotiations with Iran on curbing its nuclear programs.

In a statement, Rep. Howard “Buck’ McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said he was  praying for the safety of all Americans in Libya.

“I wish them a safe return, and for the safety of American troops watching over them.”

Benghazi Panelist Rips Muslim Woman Over ‘Peaceful Muslims’

Benghazi Panelist Rips Muslim Woman Over ‘Peaceful Muslims’

from OzzySaffa Blog Spot

Benghazi investigation panel

The video appears to come from some panel investigating the terrorist attack that killed 4 Americans in Benghazi, Libya when our Embassy was attacked (see full story).

Not sure who this is, when or where this took place, but glad it did! This Muslim woman thinks she’s asking a million dollar question to the panelist only to have her ego and intelligence severely deflated.

The Panelist response is extremely well said especially not having had any preparation time.

Lead Benghazi Investigator Receives Death Threat

Lead Benghazi Investigator Receives Death Threat

Trey GowdyIn light of recent developments indicating the Executive branch has hidden key pieces of information surrounding the Benghazi scandal, a new panel has been selected to review the events of September 11, 2012.

Since assuming the position as the lead investigator, Trey Gowdy has received threats against his life.

Apparently, these were not empty threats. The Washington DC police found reason enough to open an “active investigation” into the matter.

US Ambassor Christopher Stevens killed in Lybia
Stevens killed in Libya

Related: Recap on Embassy attack in Benghazi, Libya 2012

Gowdy, who in 2012 was approached by a deranged woman wielding a gun as he sat in his car, is no stranger to threats of violence.

Politico reporters said they had received two emails that leveled direct and immediate threats to Mr. Gowdy’s life.

Though the exact emails have yet to be released, police have been quick to say that they are looking into the matter, and are working hard to protect Mr. Gowdy.

Though many on the left believe that the ongoing Benghazi investigation is nothing more than a ruse meant to drum up anti-Obama sentiment, Gowdy insists that he wants to get to the bottom of this ordeal and find out where the responsibility for Benghazi truly lies.

As MSNBC reported:

Gowdy has promised to bring a no-nonsense, “prosecutor’s zeal” to finding the answers and in examining the Obama administration’s handling of the attack. He has insisted he’s not interested in rehashing previous investigations by Congress or in “whether the appropriate questions were asked in the past.”

CIA listened to Benghazi attackers phone calls during attack

CIA listened to Benghazi attackers phone calls during attack

By FoxNews.com

The terrorists who attacked the U.S. consulate and CIA annex in Benghazi on September 11, 2012 used cell phones, seized from State Department personnel during the attacks, and U.S. spy agencies overheard them contacting more senior terrorist leaders to report on the success of the operation, multiple sources confirmed to Fox News.

The disclosure is important because it adds to the body of evidence establishing that senior U.S. officials in the Obama administration knew early on that Benghazi was a terrorist attack, and not a spontaneous protest over an anti-Islam video that had gone awry, as the administration claimed for several weeks after the attacks.

Eric Stahl, who recently retired as a major in the U.S. Air Force, served as commander and pilot of the C-17 aircraft that was used to transport the corpses of the four casualties from the Benghazi attacks – then-U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens, information officer Sean Smith, and former Navy SEALs Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods – as well as the assault’s survivors from Tripoli to the safety of an American military base in Ramstein, Germany.

In an exclusive interview on Fox News’ “Special Report,” Stahl said members of a CIA-trained Global Response Staff who raced to the scene of the attacks were “confused” by the administration’s repeated implication of the video as a trigger for the attacks, because “they knew during the attack…who was doing the attacking.” Asked how, Stahl told anchor Bret Baier: “Right after they left the consulate in Benghazi and went to the [CIA] safehouse, they were getting reports that cell phones, consulate cell phones, were being used to make calls to the attackers’ higher ups.”

A separate U.S. official, one with intimate details of the bloody events of that night, confirmed the major’s assertion. The second source, who requested anonymity to discuss classified data, told Fox News he had personally read the intelligence reports at the time that contained references to calls by terrorists – using State Department cell phones captured at the consulate during the battle – to their terrorist leaders. The second source also confirmed that the security teams on the ground received this intelligence in real time.

Major Stahl was never interviewed by the Accountability Review Board, the investigative panel convened, pursuant to statute, by then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as the official body reviewing all the circumstances surrounding the attacks and their aftermath. Many lawmakers and independent experts have criticized the thoroughness of the ARB, which also never interviewed Clinton.

In his interview on “Special Report,” Stahl made still other disclosures that add to the vast body of literature on Benghazi – sure to grow in the months ahead, as a select House committee prepares for a comprehensive probe of the affair, complete with subpoena power. Stahl said that when he deposited the traumatized passengers at Ramstein, the first individual to question the CIA security officers was not an FBI officer but the senior State Department diplomat on the ground.

“They were taken away from the airplane,” Stahl said. “The U.S. ambassador to Germany [Philip D. Murphy] met us when we landed and he took them away because he wanted to debrief them that night.” Murphy stepped down as ambassador last year. A message left with Sky Blue FC, a private company in New Jersey with which Murphy is listed online as an executive officer, was not immediately returned.

Stahl also contended that given his crew’s alert status and location, they could have reached Benghazi in time to have played a role in rescuing the victims of the assault, and ferrying them to safety in Germany, had they been asked to do so. “We were on a 45-day deployment to Ramstein air base,” he told Fox News. “And we were there basically to pick up priority missions, last-minute missions that needed to be accomplished.”

“You would’ve thought that we would have had a little bit more of an alert posture on 9/11,” Stahl added. “A hurried-up timeline probably would take us [an] hour-and-a-half to get off the ground and three hours and fifteen minutes to get down there. So we could’ve gone down there and gotten them easily.”

Fact Check: Clinton’s Benghazi chapter has holes

Fact Check: Clinton’s Benghazi chapter has holes

Excerpts of Hillary Clinton’s forthcoming memoir obtained by Politico conflict with the factual record about what happened during and after the 2012 Benghazi terror attack.

Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who sits on the newly formed Benghazi select committee and the House Intelligence Committee, told Fox News before the excerpts were released that he is concerned the administration has not fully grasped the impact of the terrorist assault.

“We know that intelligence analysts on the ground knew instantaneously that this was Al Qaeda and its affiliates who had led this attack. And yet it took an awfully long time — indeed today, it’s still not clear this administration has acknowledged the depth and the risks associated with what it means to have an Al Qaeda affiliate actually take down an American [consulate],” he said.

In the limited excerpts published Friday from Clinton’s Benghazi chapter, the former secretary of State continued to defend the administration from what she termed a “political slugfest.”

Specifically, she defended the flawed explanation — used by then-U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice five days after the attack — that an obscure anti-Islam video fueled a protest gone awry in Benghazi.

“There were scores of attackers that night, almost certainly with differing motives,” Clinton wrote, according to Politico. “It is inaccurate to state that every single one of them was influenced by this hateful video.It is equally inaccurate to state that none of them were. Both assertions deny not only the evidence but logic as well.”

Further, she reportedly wrote that Rice relied on existing intelligence in making her statements.

But former CIA deputy director Mike Morell, who now works for Clinton’s principal gatekeeper Philippe Reines at the D.C. consulting firm Beacon Global Strategies, testified in April that it was Rice who linked the video to the Benghazi attack. Morrell, who still faces allegations he misled Congress over the so-called talking points, said the video was not part of the CIA analysis as Clinton seems to suggest.

Morell told members of the House Intelligence Committee that Rice’s claims about the attacks evolving from a protest were “exactly what the talking points said, and it was exactly what the intelligence community analysts believed.”

However, he said: “When she talked about the video, my reaction was, that’s not something that the analysts have attributed this attack to.”

An independent review of more than 4,000 social media postings, conducted by a leading social media monitoring firm in December 2012, also found the YouTube video was a non-event in Benghazi.

“From the data we have, it’s hard for us to reach the conclusion that the consulate attack was motivated by the movie. Nothing in the immediate picture — surrounding the attack in Libya — suggests that,” Jeff Chapman, chief executive with Agincourt Solutions (now Babel Street), told Fox News.

Chapman said his analysts reviewed postings in Libya, including those from Benghazi, over a three-day period beginning on Sept. 11, and saw “no traffic in Benghazi in the immediate lead-up to the attack related to the anti-Islam film.”

The first reference to the anti-Islam film appears to be a retweet of a Russia Today story that was not posted until Sept. 12 at 9:12 a.m. local time. The translation reads, “U.S. ambassador killed in Libya during his country’s consulate in Benghazi – Russia Today http://t.co/SvAV0o7T response to the film abuser.”

In addition, the video was also described as a non-event by Greg Hicks – deputy to Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed in the attack — in his May 2013 congressional testimony before the House oversight committee.

Clinton went on to write: “Every step of the way, whenever something new was learned, it was quickly shared with Congress and the American people.There is a difference between getting something wrong, and committing wrong.A big difference that some have blurred to the point of casting those who made a mistake as intentionally deceitful.”

But the written testimony of Morell shows the administration continued to stick with the “hateful video” explanation long after physical evidence and other intelligence showed there was no demonstration. Morell told the House Intelligence Committee that by Sept. 18, 2012, consulate security video reviewed by the Libyans showed it was a direct assault.

Yet, a week later, before the United Nations on Sept. 25, 2012, President Obama was still relying on the flawed explanation.

“There is no speech that justifies mindless violence. There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents.There’s no video that justifies an attack on an embassy,” he said.

As part of its ongoing reporting, Fox News was first to report on Sept. 17, 2012, based on an intelligence source on the ground in Libya, that there was no protest.

Separate from the talking points, Clinton’s defense of Rice could also be problematic because Rice inaccurately stated on three network Sunday shows — ABC’s “This Week,” NBC’s “Meet the Press” and “Fox News Sunday” — that security was “strong” or “significant” at the consulate on the day of the attack.

She told “Fox News Sunday” that former Navy SEALs Ty Woods and Glen Doherty, who died in the attack, were there to “provide security,” incorrectly linking them to consulate security.

At a press conference earlier this month, Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Kelly Ayotte, R-N.H., said the administration should explain who briefed Rice on the talking points as well as the consulate’s security status, and the individual or individuals should be fired. And if nobody briefed her on that, Graham said, Rice should resign.

“They’re completely incompetent, or they were misleading her about the level of security because we were six weeks before an election, or she made it up on her own,” Graham said.

On requests for additional security, Clinton continued to insist that she never saw those cables, and the fact that they were addressed to her as secretary of State was a “procedural quirk.”

Fox News was first to report on an August 2012 State Department classified cable that said the U.S. Mission in Benghazi convened an “emergency meeting” less than a month before the assault and concluded Al Qaeda had training camps in Benghazi and the consulate could not defend against a “coordinated attack.”

The authenticity of the classified cable, addressed to the office of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, has never been challenged. It was significant enough that then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey told lawmakers during congressional hearings that they were briefed on the cable’s warnings. Clinton, though, claimed it was not brought to her attention.

The cable marked “SECRET” summarized an Aug. 15, 2012 emergency meeting convened by the U.S. Mission in Benghazi. It states that the State Department’s senior security officer, also known as the RSO, did not believe the consulate could be protected.

According to a review of the cable, the Emergency Action Committee was also briefed “on the location of approximately ten Islamist militias and AQ training camps within Benghazi … these groups ran the spectrum from Islamist militias, such as the QRF Brigade and Ansar al-Sharia, to ‘Takfirist thugs.'”

In addition to describing the security situation in Benghazi as “trending negatively,” the cable said explicitly that the mission would ask for more help. The details in the cable foreshadowed the deadly attack on the U.S. compound.

While the administration’s public statements have suggested that the attack came without warning, the Aug. 16 cable undercuts those claims – as it warned the Benghazi consulate was vulnerable to attack and indicates the presence of anti-U.S. militias and Al Qaeda was well-known to the U.S. intelligence community.

The Clinton book excerpts published Friday represent a fraction of the entire Benghazi chapter, which reportedly is 34 pages long.

Fox News’ Pamela Browne contributed to this report

‘Danged if I know’: Susan Rice seems to scoff at Benghazi probe question

‘Danged if I know’: Susan Rice seems to scoff at Benghazi probe question

 Catherine HerridgeBy 

Susan Rice
Susan Rice

National Security Adviser Susan Rice, at a foreign policy lunch on Wednesday, seemed to scoff at a question on whether a select committee investigation on Benghazi would reveal new evidence.

“Danged if I know,” Rice said, to audience laughter. “I mean honestly, the administration has produced, I think, 25,000 pages of documents. … It’s hard to imagine what further will come of yet another committee. What I think about and focus on as the national security adviser is what we must do with Congress to increase our security of our embassies and facilities around the world.”

She was addressing the decision last week by the House to establish a select committee investigation. Rice on Wednesday steered away from the issue of her national TV appearances in 2012 in which she wrongly linked an anti-Islam video to the terrorist attack.

Related: Completed Recap on Benghazi

“What is lost in all of this discussion about Sunday shows and talking points is that we lost four brave Americans on that day, ” Rice said.

Without referring directly to the Benghazi attack, and the recent appointment of the congressional select committee, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also discussed foreign policy on Wednesday before the American Jewish Committee, a Jewish advocacy group.She said making policy is a balancing act. “There are always choices that we later regret, consequences we do not foresee, alternative paths we wish we had taken but hopefully we get it more right than wrong,” she said.

At a separate event, Bill Clinton offered a strong defense of his wife: “In my opinion, Hillary did what she should have done.” But the former president didn’t mention that the State Department Benghazi investigation — led by retired Adm. Mike Mullen and former U.S. diplomat Thomas Pickering — never interviewed Mrs. Clinton. “They looked into what was wrong,” Bill Clinton explained. “They gave 29 recommendations. She took ’em and started implementing them. ”

Despite the growing threat in Benghazi, well-documented by the U.S. intelligence community, the former president suggested little could have been done to prevent the attack. “No one had advance notice that this would happen as nearly as I can tell, so I just think we should let the report speak for itself.”

In an interview with the Fusion cable network, current CIA director John Brennan seemed to choose his words carefully. “Finally on Benghazi, did you know, director, from the beginning that it was a terrorist attack?” anchor Jorge Ramos asked.

“You know, in the heat of an event such as Benghazi, there are a lot of different bits and pieces of information that you try to piece together. I think clearly, early on it was seen as an assault, and it was seen as a very dangerous one that was putting the lives of our diplomats at risk,”  Brennan said.

“So whether or not you call it a terrorist attack or an assault or a violent confrontation that unfortunately led to the death of four Americans, it is something that we need to make sure that we are able to get to the bottom of and as you say, bring the people responsible for that to justice. it.”